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Post by clive on Apr 28, 2015 15:41:37 GMT
I am eager to gather experiences from fellow CIMA students on the P2 OBT exam. Many students appear to be suffering in silence much like an abused child. How is it possible for CIMA to have made the P2 exam significantly harder than the previous paper examination format? I know of students who have repeatedly walked out of the examination with 'not-proficient' in areas that they previously scored 'proficient' in and failing over and over again. Please do not hold back in fear and intimidation, post your honest and open thoughts here on this newly created refreshingly independent forum.
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Post by cfk23 on Apr 29, 2015 19:44:53 GMT
Clive I would echo what you have said and agree whole heartedly with what other students have commented on. I needed to pass P2 in November to complete the management level and I narrowly failed. Its been well documented that this was an awful paper but I felt well enough prepared to get over the line with the OT. 3 OT's later Im still not over that line and the proficient/non proficient is different every time. Now Im a prizewinner for a previous paper so Id consider myself to be fairly bright but these exams are a shambles. The requirements on some of the questions are so vague its ridiculous. The subject areas and style of questions jump all over the place and I mantain that 60 questions in 90 mins is not practical.None of the tuition providers (ive used 3) come close to what is on there so preparation is difficult. Feedback is non existent so how can you get it right next time. Did I miss by much or was I miles away? Who knows. Add to that the appalling environment in which you have to do them and its hard to see a positive. More worrying is the fact that my CIMA qualified manager thinks that this qualification has been reduced to rote learning and guesswork. No workings or method marks surely take away some analytical elements of the qualification. On the silence thing, its true and sad at the same time that people wont speak up. This wont change unless the people who are paying (multiple times in some cases) speak out. I decided that Im not going to do this again until CIMA produce some official figures on how this transition is performing. I heard a whisper that the reason they havent is because volume of exam entrants is way below what was expected and P2 continues to be the bane of most students lives i.e. the pass rates are awful.I personally dont know anyone who has. Im guessing you're not surprised Clive.
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Post by clive on Apr 30, 2015 15:15:53 GMT
Dear CIMA,
Is CIMA listening to it’s students? Why have no pass rates for the P2 OBT been released yet? What will CIMA's response be when the pass rate is revealed to be below 20%?
The existing P2 OBT exam appears to be unsuitable and many students are suffering in silence whilst CIMA does nothing. This is unfair and I would kindly request that CIMA considers implementing the following measures before any further damage is done:
1. All management level students who only had P2 left to pass at the end of 2014 should be exempted from the management level case study.
2. All P2 OBT examination failures to date should be remarked and all students scoring above 60% should be passed.
3. The P2 OBT examination should be changed in complexity and should be developed to offer students a more realistic and sensible exam experience.
Unless the above changes are introduced with immediate effect then in my opinion the only fair and just course of action on CIMA's part would be to reimburse the cost of the exam to all students who have failed the P2 OBT examination to date.
Here is an example of one of many frustrated student comments that I have personally come across recently:
"Clive I would echo what you have said and agree whole heartedly with what other students have commented on. I needed to pass P2 in November to complete the management level and I narrowly failed. Its been well documented that this was an awful paper but I felt well enough prepared to get over the line with the OT. 3 OT's later Im still not over that line and the proficient/non proficient is different every time. Now Im a prizewinner for a previous paper so Id consider myself to be fairly bright but these exams are a shambles. The requirements on some of the questions are so vague its ridiculous. The subject areas and style of questions jump all over the place and I mantain that 60 questions in 90 mins is not practical.None of the tuition providers (ive used 3) come close to what is on there so preparation is difficult. Feedback is non existent so how can you get it right next time. Did I miss by much or was I miles away? Who knows. Add to that the appalling environment in which you have to do them and its hard to see a positive. More worrying is the fact that my CIMA qualified manager thinks that this qualification has been reduced to rote learning and guesswork. No workings or method marks surely take away some analytical elements of the qualification. On the silence thing, its true and sad at the same time that people wont speak up. This wont change unless the people who are paying (multiple times in some cases) speak out. I decided that Im not going to do this again until CIMA produce some official figures on how this transition is performing. I heard a whisper that the reason they havent is because volume of exam entrants is way below what was expected and P2 continues to be the bane of most students lives i.e. the pass rates are awful.I personally dont know anyone who has. Im guessing you're not surprised Clive."
Is it possible that CIMA trained students can achieve an 80% failure rate? (assuming a 20% pass rate for P2 OBT) Or is it the exam format that is the failure rather than the student?
CIMA should come out in the open and provide some guidance and reassurance to students on this matter. Many of your students are suffering in silence. Is CIMA too proud to admit they may have made a mistake? What lesson is this teaching fellow CIMA member and students?
Have the senior members of the CIMA executive committee attempted the new P2 OBT? It would be interesting to see the pass rate of such an evaluation.
The total costs incurred to date for the CIMA P2 examination are as follows:
Nov 2014 - £89.00
Feb 2015 OBT - £70.00
Mar 2015 OBT - £70.00
Apr 2015 OBT - £70.00
Apr 2015 OBT - £70.00
Total £369.00
The above does not include any costs for time off work, study materials, tuition fees.
I look forward to hearing from you.
Yours faithfully,
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Post by Nick Best on May 6, 2015 10:36:00 GMT
Clive - CIMA are releasing the first set of statistics in July.
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Post by tb on May 28, 2015 20:14:44 GMT
I took the P2 paper a few weeks ago and failed. I found it difficult and extremely time pressured there isn't enough time to read the question and think about a response let alone reviewing your answers. I am disappointed with the new cima assessment as I was previously passing with an average of 80% but now can't see me getting to the end of the qualification without regularly failing and once you do pass the OT papers having the level of detailed knowledge of all three papers needed to pass the case studies seems unfair and impossible. The study material available isn't in line with the actual test and I had a question in the P2 paper that I can't find the answer to anywhere. The feedback is also very poor. I am reluctant to carry on with cima and have started to look at alternative courses. I will not be recommending any of my colleagues and peers to sign up to cima.
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Post by bmer on May 28, 2015 21:37:49 GMT
I am currently studying for P2 and after hearing all kinds of horror stories am hoping that now the strategic review has been conducted that a managerial review will follow suit shortly. OBT are nothing new to me as initially came across them in the 2010 syllabus before life got in the way of my studies. However I can't help but think that for the P & F pillars time management/exam technique will be critical and thus the guidance on cima connect is invaluable (quickly identify and answer short questions, then go back through for next tier questions, then longer/difficult calculation questions).
I do think that CIMA have got the general idea right with OBT exams as it requires a thorough knowledge to pass, however it may need to be refined over time.
Those thinking of taking a different route that of course is your perogative and decision but my view is that cima is a valuable and respected qualification and is worth sticking with.
Finally those concerned with retaining enough knowledge of 3 subjects to pass a case study would be wise to remember that under old rules the final case study was able to examine anything from all 9 papers, therefore this has to be an improvement.
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Post by gjb100 on Jun 2, 2015 0:39:53 GMT
I am eager to gather experiences from fellow CIMA students on the P2 OBT exam. Many students appear to be suffering in silence much like an abused child. How is it possible for CIMA to have made the P2 exam significantly harder than the previous paper examination format? I know of students who have repeatedly walked out of the examination with 'not-proficient' in areas that they previously scored 'proficient' in and failing over and over again. Please do not hold back in fear and intimidation, post your honest and open thoughts here on this newly created refreshingly independent forum. Hi, I actually am in the same boat and good to know I'm not the only one here. I totally feel truly deflated with this P2 subject. I honestly am so disgusted and my confidence is shattered with this subject. I'm doing a distance learning and moved from Ireland to the USA so I don't have a tuition available. I feel the P2 subject the goal posts and changing allot with the questions. Using the Exam kits available, it took me a while to get to be able to do 60 questions in 90mins. At least previously you could read, plan and go at it after 20mins. Once I think I'm okay and i should be good with the subject I go in and I'm totally caught with a question in the exam that blindsides me. We've also only got one test paper available which is also full of errors. I studied only the P2 subject itself as this is my true weakness in the course, at least with the previous syllabus if i needed to resit, i could say "well i realized before going in i may not have done enough examples within a certain topic" and was able to at least say "right not much else needed to get over this one hurdle" now i just do not know. I still have F2 to do and want to start looking at that, try to regain a bit of confidence, I hope its better than P2. I feel i could vent my frustration all night on this. The way things stand now.......i would NEVER recommend CIMA to anyone. |
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Post by bmer on Jun 2, 2015 8:47:23 GMT
Gjb I understand your frustration it was similar for me in 2005 syllabus with the old Organisational Management I really struggled to pass the exam taking 5 attempts still to this day im not sure whether this was down to my writing looking as if a spider dipped in ink had ran across a page, or whether it was a case of me not putting points across clearly. but hey ho it is thankfully now in the past and I just passed E2 first time something I never thought would happen. take a breather do F2 whilst keeping P2 studies burning and come back to it.
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Post by emfish13 on Jun 2, 2015 18:20:16 GMT
I too am in exactly the same position. I have just failed P2 and had the joy of receiving my outcome from CIMA today - to say vague is not the word! Again, I have also found that the study material provided is not sufficient enough to cover the actual exam and the questions have no resemblance to those in the exam itself. Time pressure was too much, even though I finished, I barely had time to read the questions and compute what I was being asked to do. I'm sure if it was the paper exam I would have nailed it, just like my past papers...
I really don't understand the marking scheme either - for instance... for the questions that you have to select 'all that apply' if you make an error one way or the other do you get zero marks e.g. mark 2 and should have been 3 or vice versa???
Gutted about the 2015 syllabus, feel like a guinea pig and would definitely not recommend CIMA either - shame.
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Post by bmer on Jun 2, 2015 20:09:03 GMT
EM
To get a mark for an all that apply question you need to correctly select all answers missing a selection or choosing one incorrect selection out of for arguments sake 4 selections renders no mark for the whole question. These questions are a pain I had one in E2 that had only one answer but had I not revised that section about 2 hours before the exam I would have been flumoxed
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Post by sammykelly on Jun 3, 2015 8:51:00 GMT
Dear CIMA, Is CIMA listening to it’s students? Why have no pass rates for the P2 OBT been released yet? What will CIMA's response be when the pass rate is revealed to be below 20%? The existing P2 OBT exam appears to be unsuitable and many students are suffering in silence whilst CIMA does nothing. This is unfair and I would kindly request that CIMA considers implementing the following measures before any further damage is done: 1. All management level students who only had P2 left to pass at the end of 2014 should be exempted from the management level case study. 2. All P2 OBT examination failures to date should be remarked and all students scoring above 60% should be passed. 3. The P2 OBT examination should be changed in complexity and should be developed to offer students a more realistic and sensible exam experience. Unless the above changes are introduced with immediate effect then in my opinion the only fair and just course of action on CIMA's part would be to reimburse the cost of the exam to all students who have failed the P2 OBT examination to date. Here is an example of one of many frustrated student comments that I have personally come across recently: "Clive I would echo what you have said and agree whole heartedly with what other students have commented on. I needed to pass P2 in November to complete the management level and I narrowly failed. Its been well documented that this was an awful paper but I felt well enough prepared to get over the line with the OT. 3 OT's later Im still not over that line and the proficient/non proficient is different every time. Now Im a prizewinner for a previous paper so Id consider myself to be fairly bright but these exams are a shambles. The requirements on some of the questions are so vague its ridiculous. The subject areas and style of questions jump all over the place and I mantain that 60 questions in 90 mins is not practical.None of the tuition providers (ive used 3) come close to what is on there so preparation is difficult. Feedback is non existent so how can you get it right next time. Did I miss by much or was I miles away? Who knows. Add to that the appalling environment in which you have to do them and its hard to see a positive. More worrying is the fact that my CIMA qualified manager thinks that this qualification has been reduced to rote learning and guesswork. No workings or method marks surely take away some analytical elements of the qualification. On the silence thing, its true and sad at the same time that people wont speak up. This wont change unless the people who are paying (multiple times in some cases) speak out. I decided that Im not going to do this again until CIMA produce some official figures on how this transition is performing. I heard a whisper that the reason they havent is because volume of exam entrants is way below what was expected and P2 continues to be the bane of most students lives i.e. the pass rates are awful.I personally dont know anyone who has. Im guessing you're not surprised Clive." Is it possible that CIMA trained students can achieve an 80% failure rate? (assuming a 20% pass rate for P2 OBT) Or is it the exam format that is the failure rather than the student? CIMA should come out in the open and provide some guidance and reassurance to students on this matter. Many of your students are suffering in silence. Is CIMA too proud to admit they may have made a mistake? What lesson is this teaching fellow CIMA member and students? Have the senior members of the CIMA executive committee attempted the new P2 OBT? It would be interesting to see the pass rate of such an evaluation. The total costs incurred to date for the CIMA P2 examination are as follows: Nov 2014 - £89.00 Feb 2015 OBT - £70.00 Mar 2015 OBT - £70.00 Apr 2015 OBT - £70.00 Apr 2015 OBT - £70.00 Total £369.00 The above does not include any costs for time off work, study materials, tuition fees. I look forward to hearing from you. Yours faithfully, I agree with both. I have had 10 Years experience writing exams and actually used to enjoy working out calculations. I hated the P2 OT Exam. I didn't finish. I have never had that problem before in any exam, as I write very fast, even in F2 last year consolidations I wrote the full exam and passed. There is no clear set up in the exam. Writing a calculation question in paragraph format leaves so much room for error. In the CIMA mock exam as well as the Astranti mock exam I found that I have made simple small errors along the way do to just panicking and not reading the information correctly. By only providing an answer in the exam at such a speed does not actually test our knowledge at all. I work in accounts and I am very good at my job and have never panicked during an exam before. There is simply not enough time to check anything and my 10 year experience of writing other exams seems to be working against me. I have lost confidence and now I panic even when writing mock exams. I don't honestly know how to overcome this. The feedback by just saying pass or fail is also ridiculous. It gives us no indication of how far away from target we are. I write again on Moday and I am terrified. |
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Post by clive on Jun 3, 2015 13:13:24 GMT
It takes CIMA 192 hours to respond to an email and we students only have on average 1.5 minutes to answer each OBT question.
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Post by bmer on Jun 3, 2015 15:41:27 GMT
It takes CIMA 192 hours to respond to an email and we students only have on average 1.5 minutes to answer each OBT question. Clive did CIMA address your concerns? are you able to share details? |
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Post by clive on Jun 4, 2015 15:32:57 GMT
Passed P2 today. Over the moon. Yippie!!!!
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Post by bmer on Jun 4, 2015 17:18:40 GMT
Congrats gled the hard work paid off for you
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Post by emfish13 on Jun 6, 2015 12:42:44 GMT
Hi,
Has anyone used the practice mocks exams that Astranti sell P2 in particular? Just wondering whether they are useful enough for the £30?
Thanks,
Emma
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Post by guy on Jun 9, 2015 19:58:07 GMT
I today failed my P2 exam, I felt more than prepared before the exam, felt confident throughout the exam, managed to complete the paper all be it, it was heavily time pressured, to find out I had failed. I am now really struggling to understand how I failed as I honestly thought I had done enough, and cannot pin point parts of the exam where I thought, I have no idea.
To realise I am clearly not the only student having the same experience worries me slightly as to what CIMA actually expect from us. I don't believe the material available has been suitable enough to prepare us for this exam, I do not understand why we get next to nothing in terms of feedback, it would be nice to know if I failed by 10 marks or 1 mark.
Judging by the number of students this is affecting I really see it as an area of concern that CIMA needs to address as soon as possible, to make this fair for the students paying huge amounts of money, and investing huge amounts of time as it is.
I honestly hope CIMA listen to its students before we all start to look elsewhere to complete a professional accountancy qualification.
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Post by angryian on Jul 11, 2015 11:04:43 GMT
I have just sat the P2 objective test for the fourth time and have failed it yet again. My feelings of disappointment are now turning into anger and frustration. I have read through the BPP study text from front to back twice. I have gone through both practice exam kits from BPP and Kaplan over and over and over again, reworking every question that I got wrong. I went into todays OT feeling as though I could not be better prepared. After 30 minutes into the exam I realised I was way behind the 90 seconds per question allowed. As soon as you realise this your concentration goes and your head starts spinning because you know you are not going to answer every question, and your chances of passing are falling dramatically. Why is there such time pressure in the exam? In working life I am never given 90 seconds by my boss to calculate or analyse something. I would never submit analysis to management that hadn't been checked or reviewed thoroughly first - so why is there so little time to do this OT??? Earlier this year the CIMA website stated that you needed to get 70% (42 out of 60) of the questions right to get a pass on OT's. They have recently taken this down from the CIMA website, probably because they realised that it would put new students off joining CIMA. I personally was delighted when they announced OT's were being introduced as I hated waiting so long to resit exams, and I always got wrist cramps writing for 3 hours. I now realise that this is simply a money spinning opportunity for them. I have spent a small fortune on this exam, and I honestly feel right now as though I cannot prepare better than I am currently, and my only way of passing this is by sheer luck. I am desperate to move onto F2 so I can complete the level and learn something new. I am really disappointed in CIMA. This exam is a joke as there is not enough time to read and understand each question before you attempt to answer it, and some of the questions today were taking me 3 minutes to read and understand. There was one question today that required something like 10 separate calculations to get to the answer. I probably lost out on answering 2 or 3 other questions in the process. I also think the 'select all that apply' questions are incredibly difficult. If you get just one wrong you probably get no mark at all. The most frustrating thing for me is not being able to identify exactly where I am going wrong. I genuinely have no idea what to focus on. The 'proficient' / 'not proficient' guidance is ABSOLUTELY USELESS!!!!!! I sit the exam and I am proficient in an area, the next time I sit it I am not proficient in the same area. What I need to know is: was my mark 69% or 59%. Was I close? How close?I definitely will not recommend CIMA to others. I wish I knew how to pass this paper, its stopping me from getting on with my life and its costing me a fortune in terms of time as well as money. I am seriously thinking about jumping to another accounting qualification. I have 22 years of practical finance experience under my belt, and perform at a high standard in my role - so why can't I pass this one test??
Any tips / advice / suggestions from those who have passed it would be very greatly appreciated. I am really at a low point in my CIMA experience tonight.
angry ian.
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Post by ems on Jul 16, 2015 10:18:07 GMT
I've been searching about CIMA OT exam experience for the past few days and I have finally found this forum so I would like to contribute something. I studied with BPP and sit F2 two days ago. It was the only one exam I had been prepared since I've passed the whole operational level November last year in first attempt. It was so embarrassing when you have prepared for a single one exam for so long and failed it. Until I realised that there is a luckiness element in the CIMA exam, so i deceided that I have to keep resitting the exams without letting anyone knows until i pass it. To be honest, i don't think it's logical AT ALL to transfer an accounting qualification exam into a computer exam with MCQs!! Especially with financial reporting modules, it would be so much better to show your technical understandings in workings rather than doing a complex calculation in your calculator and got the final answer wrong. I've got a "proficient" in my reporting section this time however i understand that in my next exam i may get an "inproficient". During the exam, I was the only person who sit the exam in the room with construction disturbances and constant phone calls noises nearby. I managed to finish all questions on time but the MCQ are very tricky - around 30% of the questions were "choose the correct answers from below" and countless number of questions asked you "type your answer in a box below".. Overall, i felt the CIMA exam is not fair as in you don't gain what you deserve! I would be really interested to see the genuine passing rate for cima exams so far. Please let me know your thoughts
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Post by bmer on Jul 20, 2015 10:58:23 GMT
ems the F2 pass rates for the first 5 months of 2015 are as follows:
Students passing after at least one attempt 60%
Students passing at first attempt 49%
Total pass rate 48%
for P2:
Students passing after at least one attempt 57%
Students passing at first attempt 44%
Total pass rate 43%
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Post by treencrown on Jul 20, 2015 14:13:21 GMT
Has anyone who has passed this got any tips which areas to concentrate on?
I have failed the exam twice and like others have said I can do the Kaplan & BPP books with no problem
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Post by HavingaRant :-) on Jul 20, 2015 20:46:03 GMT
Im on my third attempt at P2 . The pass rates from CIMA for this exam are looking no different that the paper based exams - in fact many of the other subjects are looking much easier than previously (e.g. F1 has an 80% passrate) .
However, this does not seem to match with the experience of colleagues or other students who are in my class nor those Ive spoken to on Facebook. Is it possible that these healthy passrates are actually being skewed by other 'unknown' variables? Eg The number of students taking the objective tests may be so low that only geniuses were advised to sit in the first half of 2015...Or how about effect of combining results from global cima exam centres - Do all locations really have full computer based examinations - even those in developing countries?
Finally, Ive heard CIMA are analysing the OTQ results with intense scrutiny to identify and remove individual questions which are problematic for a large number of students. However, how can they provide this detailed question- by question analysis but are not able to provide any further info for students who've failed. Also how come the Pearson practice exam is able to give a % score easily enough but the real one can not- it seems very shady that CIMA are hiding behind a big long wordy description in response to this. Sorry for the rant everyone - Thanks for listening!! :-)
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Post by Mmbob on Jul 20, 2015 21:49:03 GMT
I have my P2 OT tomorrow and, having been consistently hitting 80-90% when practicing with my BPP practice kit (and knowing where i went wrong), I just looked at the CIMA mock and the questions are significantly more wordy and long-winded than the BPP questions, how you're supposed to do them in 90 seconds I don't know. Definitely agree about the "tick all that agree" questions, there's always one or two ambiguous answers that lose you the marks.
So, yeah, my confidence has suddenly dropped massively especially after reading these concerns from others, at exactly the wrong time! I can only hope that CIMA have weeded out a lot of the harder questions since some of the earlier comments.
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Post by KeshT on Jul 21, 2015 3:47:21 GMT
I sat for this exam 3 times now and failed. Also just like most of the posts in this forum, I have no problem completing the bpp and Kaplan practice kits. I am going to do the exam next week and it’s been over a month since I last sat for p2, so I am wondering whether CIMA has done some changes to p2 paper or are they going to.
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Post by Tindo on Jul 21, 2015 9:34:47 GMT
Guys i think CIMA has let its students down, i am one of those who failed p2 in november last year and was gutted, i thought CIMA would listen to our concerns and address them but it seems its not going to happen and i have decided to vote with my feet and move to ACCA, its a step back but going forward i think i will progress faster . i do not mind failing but writing an exam where the objective is to make u fail doesn't make sense for me, cima can be stubborn all they want but as far as i am concerned this qualification has greatly reduced in quality and value
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Post by Beck on Jul 21, 2015 11:09:47 GMT
Hi
I sat the P2 OT exam for the first time on Saturday, after putting it off for months due to all the negative feedback, and surprisingly passed.
I'm not sure if CIMA have made changes, but it was definitely not as hard as the mock provided ( I scored 40% in the mock.) Hopefully more study material will start coming out soon as it all differs from provider and can be very expensive to buy each one, especially if you are home studying.
As others have said the test centres are a very difficult environment, and the security measures seemed a bit overkill.
Again very disappointed with the feedback from the exam, proficient or not is hardly adequate and there is no reason for CIMA to not give you a score. They need to be more transparent with their marking.
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Post by billy on Jul 27, 2015 19:16:36 GMT
I am eager to gather experiences from fellow CIMA students on the P2 OBT exam. Many students appear to be suffering in silence much like an abused child. How is it possible for CIMA to have made the P2 exam significantly harder than the previous paper examination format? I know of students who have repeatedly walked out of the examination with 'not-proficient' in areas that they previously scored 'proficient' in and failing over and over again. Please do not hold back in fear and intimidation, post your honest and open thoughts here on this newly created refreshingly independent forum. |
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Post by hemant90 on Jul 28, 2015 17:29:28 GMT
My confidence are in shatters, i have being stuck with P-2 for more than two years now this is becoming a nightmare for me. i have spend more than 500 GBP on a single paper, CIMA did provide exemption at operational level for the students who had one paper left at that level, but the same did not apply for students at management level, i had mailed CIMA out how hard it is to clear P2 under the new format, they replied we have to study hard and use the online material available, really need to clear P-2 to get my life back on track.
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Post by MadMan on Jul 29, 2015 1:23:14 GMT
Since p2 is now the most difficult exam to pass... is CIMA doing something to change that like what they did with strategy papers?
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